crowbone, like most other gear to have crossed my path, it's be gone.... oh, well....
Knotty Pine Roundups
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Aug 12, 2008 10:39 p.m. texarock:
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Aug 13, 2008 12:25 a.m. Just Dropped In:
Holy freak-a-moly, that's a cool story TP!
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Aug 13, 2008 7:05 a.m. CnW:
audiodrome said: Knots do happen randomly in nature, but for that kind of money and for a limited edition, I think they could spend a little more time sorting through the wood.
I worked in a lumber yard for 13 years when I was younger. Finding pine with knots is not a problem. But big knots are found on bigger trees (doh). Today you can look at a 2x4 and see both sides of the tree---and the center running down the middle. They're obviously butchering up a lot of undersize stuff. We used to get some beautiful #2 Ponderosa Pine 1x12 stock. Just the biggest, loveliest knots you could want to see, about a foot apart. Back in the '70's it was pretty available and definitely affordable.
Part of the rustic charm of knotty pine is the imperfection of it....but when you're making an expensive guitar, imperfection is what you typically want to avoid. Big knots are hard to work. Pieces falling out of them which require filler (or scrapping, if too much falls out), uneven spots where the machinery takes the softer grain down a little further than the harder area around the knot....A job better suited for a custom shop or an independant operator with a passion for it. Crazy cool-looking woods are still out there. Pine and who-knows-what-all-else. (Gretsch made some Roundup tops out of mahogany, did they not?)
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Aug 13, 2008 7:45 a.m. Nobody:
They did.
This is certainly an interesting anomaly we have here to discuss this year, isn't it? For those who have been around the GDP for a few years, some of us have really pleaded for Mike and then Joe to tackle the Knotty Pine Roundup, complete with belt buckle, flaws, and all. Of course, some of us have pleaded for the scorched brand too.
CnW's comments above provide some nice insight into what is probably a very big challenge in producing, then selling this instrument.
I've seen some old Roundups that were the sexiest thing I have ever seen...rugged, barn-hung axes that were incredible to behold. I have seen others with mirrored knots that looked like two big eyeballs staring at you...crazy, rather bizarre looking.
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Aug 13, 2008 11:52 a.m. BobK:
I'm very happy with my new Roundup, but truthfully I have not seen many that look that great. The first two pics are mine. The last picture is the one Joel mentioned (he ordered it for me) that was really NOT acceptable on any level. The guitar lists for $5,075.00 for pete's sake!! Joel was totally in agreement (class act all the way).
texarock, that Roundup just oozes mojo
EDIT: I give up on trying to get the pics to appear
Bob
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Aug 13, 2008 12:02 p.m. BobK:
...another failed attempt...
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Aug 13, 2008 1:02 p.m. tartan phantom:
Bob, You have to use an off-site host for pictures, like Photobucket or image shack. The onsite photo hosting has been disabled for quite a while now.
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Aug 13, 2008 1:23 p.m. crowbone:
I want to see some pics of these new Roundups from people who actually like them.
TP & Bob K can't be the only ones. I know I loved the one Tartan Phantom won, and coveted it all weekend. Lucky bastard!
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Aug 13, 2008 1:36 p.m. BobK:
I use Imageshack - here's the code for forums:
[URL=http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bobroundup2km0.jpg][IMG]http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/2359/bobroundup2km0.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
It should appear just by copying that code from imageshack, right? I've posted pics to other forums this way.
Bob
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Aug 13, 2008 2:06 p.m. antik:
Here's the one at Dave's:
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Aug 13, 2008 3:09 p.m. tartan phantom:
Here ya go Bob, I got links to it posted correctly for ya-- these are direct links to your images on imageshack, so just click on them to open full-size in a new window.
BobK's nifty 6130 Knotty Pine Roundup:
<a href="
">BobK's Roundup pic 1
<a href="
">BobK's Roundup pic 2
<a href="
">BobK's Roundup pic 3
<a href="
">BobK's Roundup pic 4
<a href="
">BobK's Roundup pic 5
Odd thing is, this looks like two different guitars??? Is one of them the one you returned?? Which one is the one you kept?
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Aug 13, 2008 8:58 p.m. BobK:
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Aug 13, 2008 8:58 p.m. BobK:
Thanks TP!
The next to last picture is the one that Joel ordered (and returned). The rest are pics of my guitar, the last pic being from Dave's Guitar website.
You can see why Joel and I were not happy with the one he ordered.
Bob
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Aug 13, 2008 9:43 p.m. crowbone:
Hey there Joe C. wherever in the world Fender has you,
Why not finish the next batch like texarock's former baby?
That looks like an old fence post made into a guitar. Swimming in mojo!
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Aug 13, 2008 9:58 p.m. Nobody:
I say make a Roundup out of planks from "the Roundup barn" in Nashvegas! Think Phila would mind?
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Aug 14, 2008 6:47 a.m. crowbone:
Nobody,
That would be so cool.
You know Phila. She's no dummy. She'd let you have a couple chunks of timber for sure. $7,000 please!
Throw a week of her breakfasts in with that and you got a deal.
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Aug 14, 2008 7:24 a.m. Konrad:
I don't know what people don't like or like in these... Kind of confused.
My real questino is: "How do they sound?"
K
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Aug 14, 2008 8:03 a.m. Proteus:
Like a Jet, but pinier.
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Aug 14, 2008 9:41 a.m. Deed Eddy:
I think it's a great name for a rockabilly band. Come on, wouldn't you want to check out The Knotty Pine Roundups , down on Broadway?
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Aug 14, 2008 9:56 a.m. J(esse James)D:
Yep, after many years of working with wood when I was younger, I understand the beauty, and the pitfalls of what "Mother Nature" has to offer.
Drill into, or try to route through a knot
All sorts of things can happen, and they usually aren't for the "better".
Most folks think that "cost" is the factor for furniture companies using veneers on high end products.
Not really so. Veneers have been used forever, to make the wood more stable, the product more stable, and to assist in dealing with what each type of wood can do, or not do during the process.
Knotty pine is a beautiful wood, but as already posted, can be a real bearcat to work with.
I've learned to enjoy each piece of wood for what it is. Mother Nature at work, and man trying to harness it for something.
That being said, I love knotty pine furniture and planking, but have a hard time with it on the guitar.
From a distance, I can't tell if it's the knots, or if Wenzell has added more knobs
(sorry Chris)
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Aug 14, 2008 10:13 a.m. Just Dropped In:
With the right wood and stain, knots aren't absolutely neccessary. I like the finish on this '70s Country Roc. Also like the oval "steer" buckle as much as the rectangular campfire one.
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Aug 14, 2008 10:42 a.m. crowbone:
Proteus: Like a Jet, but pinier. LOL...Nailed that one Proteus!
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Aug 14, 2008 11:27 a.m. BobK:
It must be difficult to find pine that has decent knots but that won't end up in the area of the knobs, G Brand, switches, pickups, etc. Maybe that's why we are seeing so many of these new ones with smaller knots that more or less go in a straight line horizontally between the bridge and the knobs/G Brand. Especially since they are bookmatching the tops - a straight line is easier to deal with.
Why do you think these Roundups come with the Cowboy case instead of the tweed like TP's prototype? The Gretsch website still lists a tweed case in the specs.
Bob
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Aug 14, 2008 4:34 p.m. crowbone:
I find it odd that some of the ones on ebay show a regular case with it.
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Aug 14, 2008 4:37 p.m. J(esse James)D:
Not really "odd", just another example of "greed".
